Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump faced off at the first presidential debate tonight. And while moderator Lester Holt didn’t ask all the tech-related questions we wanted him to, he did ask them about their position on ISIS’s online recruitment efforts and state-sponsored hacks. Read on for a transcript of their responses.
Q: Our next segment is called Securing America. We want to start with a 21st century war happening every day in this country. Our institutions are under cyberattack and our secrets are being stolen. So my question is, who’s behind it and how do we fight it? Secretary Clinton, this answer goes to you.
CLINTON: Well I think cyber warfare, cyber security, will be one of the biggest challenges facing the next president because clearly, we’re facing at this point two different kinds of adversaries. There are the independent hacking groups that do it mostly for commercial reasons to try to steal information that they then can use to make money.
But increasingly, we are seeing cyberattacks coming from states; organs of states. The most recent and troubling of these has been Russia. There’s no doubt now that Russia has used cyberattacks against all kinds of organizations in our country, and I am deeply concerned about this. I know Donald [was] very praiseworthy of Vladimir Putin, but Putin is playing a really tough, long game here.
And one of the things he’s done is let loose cyber attackers to hack into government files, to hack into personal files, hack into the Democratic National Committee. And we’ve recently have learned that this is one of their preferred methods of trying to wreak havoc and collect information.
We need to make it very clear, whether it’s Russia, China, Iran, or anybody else, the United States has much greater capacity, and we are not going to sit idly by and permit state actors to go after our information; our private sector information or our public sector information.
And we’re going to have to make it clear that we don’t want to use the kinds of tools that we have.
We don’t want to engage in a different kind of warfare, but we will defend the citizens of this country, and the Russians need to understand that. I think they’ve been treating it as almost a probing; how far would we go, how much would we do. And that’s why I was so…I was so shocked when Donald publicly invited Putin to hack into Americans. That is just unacceptable. It’s one of the reasons why 50 national security officials who served in Republican administrations have said that Donald is unfit to be the commander in chief. It’s comments like that that really worry people who understand the threats that we face.
Q: Mr. Trump, you have two minutes and the same question.
TRUMP: Yeah, I do want to say that I was just endorsed and more are coming next week. It’ll be over 200 admirals, many of them are here, admirals and generals endorsed me to lead this country. That just happened and many more are coming, and I’m very proud of it. In addition, I was just endorsed by [the National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Council] ICE; they’ve never endorsed anybody before, on immigration. I was just endorsed by ICE. I was just recently endorsed, 16,500 border patrol agents. So when Secretary Clinton talks about this, I mean I’ll take the admirals and I’ll take the generals any day over the political hacks that I see that have led our country so brilliantly over the last 10 years with their knowledge, okay? Because look at the mess that we’re in. Look at the mess that we’re in.
As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody else and perhaps we’re not.
I don’t think anybody knows it was Russia who broke into the DNC. She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia but I don’t … maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia. But it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It could be someone sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay? You don’t know who broke in to DNC.
But what did we learn with DNC? We learned that Bernie Sanders was taken advantage of by your people; by Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Look what happened to her. But Bernie Sanders was taken advantage of. That’s [inaudible]. Now, whether that was Russia, whether that was China, whether it was another country, we don’t know because the truth is, under President Obama, we’ve lost control of things that we used to have control over.
We came in with the Internet; we came up with the Internet, and I think Secretary Clinton and myself would agree very much, when you look at what ISIS is doing with the Internet, they’re beating us at our own game. ISIS. So we have to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a huge problem. I have a son. He’s 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it’s unbelievable. The security aspect with cyber is very, very tough and maybe it’s hardly doable. But I will say we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that’s true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better and cyber is certainly one of them.
CLINTON: Well, I think there are a number of issues we should be addressing. I had put forth a plan to defeat ISIS. It does involve going after them online. I think we need to do much more with our tech companies to prevent ISIS and their operatives from being able to use the Internet to radicalize, even direct people in our country and Europe and elsewhere. But we also have to intensify our air strikes against ISIS and eventually support our Arab and Kurdish partner to be able to actually take out ISIS in Raqqa and their claim of being a caliphate.
We’re making progress; our military is assisting in Iraq and we’re hoping that within the year, we’ll be able to push ISIS out of Iraq and then really squeeze them in Syria. But we have to be cognizant of the fact that they’ve had foreign fighters coming to volunteer for then, foreign money, foreign weapons. So we have to make this the top priority. And I would also do everything possible to take out their leadership. I was involved in a number of efforts to take out Al Qaeda leadership when I was Secretary of State, including of course taking out bin Laden, and I think we need to go after Baghdadi as well, make that one of our organizing principles. Because we’ve got to defeat ISIS, and we’ve got to do everything we can to disrupt their propaganda efforts online.